June 2009
'Build aspects of every day life into SDI'

Dr Robert Barr OBE
Chairman
Manchester.
Geomatics
How significant are the linkages
between g-governance (GIS based
public service delivery) and SDI?
G-governance applications are a good test
of whether your SDI is adequate or not. If
SDI is inadequate, g-governance will fail.
It might fail for other reasons too but this
is one reason that will make it certain to
fail.
How important is 'user needs assess-
ment' while planning to develop and
implement SDI?
User needs assessment is very important
and it is the most frequently ignored
aspect. The situation is tricky as it is difficult
to define who the user is. Is it the
intermediate user, is it the person developing
and using the data which a mapping
agency might think is a user or is it
the end user because your aspiration is
that the data and the system should be
transparent to the end user. On the other
hand, the end user experience is what
makes the application work or not work.
But I think you can't ask end user what
he would like to have because they cannot
imagine it. What you can do is
through focus groups, pilot tests or real
life tests, you can find where the application
will work with the finding what
end user has anticipated.
My experience of using geo-enabled
applications on websites which local
authorities now swear by is that almost
none of them have been properly tested
with end users. If after being 30 years
in the industry, I find it difficult to use
some supposedly geo-enabled websites,
I can't imagine how an ordinary person
will deal with them.
With regard to development and
maintenance of SDIs, how different
are the challenges in developed and
developing countries?
The enormous advantage developing
countries have is that they do not have
too much history. The cleaner the slate
you start with, the easier it is. If you
look at the countries that have made
fastest progress, both in terms of SDIs
and g-governance, they had very weak
systems before. Countries like India, UK
or Malaysia, that have good SDIs have
200 years of history of national mapping
agencies, of government security
and of custom practise which one
should overcome before starting to build
modern SDI. I think developing countries
have an advantage, particularly
those being helped by international
organisations and World Bank to build
modern SDIs from scratch.
What about the technological issues?
GI technologies are a bit like buses,
there is always another one coming
along. It is a mistake to wait for technology
to stabilise. Probably it will never do.
But I think people who developed SDIs
using technologies of 1980s and 90s
find it hard to adapt to the world of distributed
computing, of open standards,
of cloud based computing, of computing
that has global display platforms like
Google Earth. If you invested millions in
proprietary systems, then your willingness
to dismantle those in order to do
something else is quite small.
What are your views on security
issues associated with sharing of
geospatial data?
I think security issues are absolutely
critical and the one issue that it is most
likely to impede is widespread access of
data. We can cite the trouble Google
had with Street View as an example.
People felt that it is an intrusion into
their privacy. My own view is that privacy
is passé. What we have to have now
is guaranteed confidentiality, not guaranteed
privacy. I think the genie is out
of the bottle. What you need is strict
laws on who could use spatial data and
by whom and how the data subject
could monitor/audit the usage. And then
I think it is up to the industry to explain
that most people are much more to gain
from having the information in the system
than not having it. Those who are
weak in the society, the poorest, are the
most least to lose. They actually lose by
not being recognised within the system.
It is the rich, privileged people who can
afford the luxury of being anonymous.
What are your views on the sustain-
ability of SDIs?
The bottom line is SDIs are sustainable
only in two circumstances. One, they
have made their case that they will
benefit the citizen. So, the old problems
of GI community like cost-benefit analysis
wouldn't go away. Except that the
cost-benefit analysis is always not financial.
Sometimes it may be critical. Particularly,
security issues can override
cost considerations. But SDI is very
easy to be cast aside. I think it is
notable in the US that President Clinton
signed the presidential order for an
NSDI after Mississippi floods but by the
time of 9/11, the data was not there for
New York. By the time of New Orleans
floods, the data wasn't there. Disaster is
a big issue in the Press. It is a three-day
wonder. It doesn't guarantee sustainable
funding. To make it sustainable, we
need to build aspects of every day life
into SDI so that the consequences of
removing it would be unthinkable to the
politicians. A good example is the GPS.
We are so dependent on GPS in so
many ways that it is probably impossible
now to remove GPS. So you become
sustainable by becoming totally necessary.
Another issue for sustainability is
funding. I get quite cross because quite
a few people always present the funding
issue as a dichotomy. They say either
tax payer pays from the tax funds, the
next time there is no money in treasury
it will get cut or you sell the data. I
don't believe that's true. My view is that
the most sustainable way of funding an
SDI is by having a series of laws so that
if you change the data in the SDI
because you built something or knocked
something down, or you acquired some
land or you built a road, then you pay.
No one complains if they have to
register a marriage or register birth
and death. In some countries, people
have to register their cows and dogs.
On each occasion, you pay as you
changed the data and everyone who
needs it gets access to data for free.
I think that is the only sustainable
mechanism for a lot of funding.
There are bits you cannot fund that
way but you would fund most of
the dynamic data in SDI that way. For
data that changes less often, there are
other means of funding it. For example,
an environment agency can fund the
water model because it can't do without
it. If you identify a government organisation
that cannot carryout its function
without this infrastructure, it can be
funded.
Majority of national SDI initiatives
all over the world have not been suc-
cessful. Do you think local SDI is
more practical than an SDI at
national or global level?
I think it makes most sense for data collected
be as close to its point of origin
as possible. So I think local SDI is good
in that sense. What we don't want is
local SDIs being incompatible to upload
their data to NSDI. For example, we
have a war going on in UK between Royal
Mail, which does national addressing
and a company working with local government
taking addresses from 400
local authorities. The two have come to
a compromise according to which we
now have top down standards which
apply nationally but local data collection,
local responsibility and integration
with international datasets. National
agencies deal with quality assurance
and while data is collected at local level.
But then you have to allow locals to
charge for planning applications and
updating data. You can't have a situation
where locals give to national for
nothing and then has to buy data back.
That will never work. I can't see any
local authority accepting it in the long
term.
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